the art (craft? science? magic?) of ending
Hi guys,
Just wanted to write a quick blog entry after listening to the art of ending pieces that Han recommended.
My interpretations/responses/feelings are as follows
Anthony Braxton and Evan Parker:
Beautifully constructive ending that in my opinion was rehearsed, or pre composed/constructed?
Final 32 seconds
There is an obvious motif/signature played by one sax, with the other sax responding like a “call and response concept” It repeates itself 5 times before both saxs simultaneously end with a long harmonic note.
Is it pre rehearsed? iF NOT then both performers are truly listening/ and or gawking at each other intensely through-out. They must of just gave the obvious nod..that luckily worked out, because how else are they going to end so ? years of playing together?
Maybe it is not pre rehearsed but pre constructed: they agreed on “hey lets end when i play that reoccuring motif say 5 times and we end together on this harmonic note, so until then dont worry on ending, lets just play”
There had to be a pre discussion on this ending.
Recording 2
Derek Bailey, George Lewis and John Zorn: On Golden Pond
First time impression of this piece is that the ending is not pre composed
but with constant re-listening to this piece (just the final 2 minutes or so) maybe constructed?
It could have ended on 16:55 but there was a final climax to be made that ended only when the duck/cow performers stopped there “squalling” and it was almost together. I felt the guitar player was comping and waiting for an ending, and did so as the others stopped.
Im lost with this 1. Its not precomposed, they waited for someone to end it.
Recording 3
The Warning
The ending is constructed. This piece has a concept, a certain theme, they knew how to end this whether they decided so or not
Recording 4
Marilyn Crispell and Gerry Hemingway
Billy Duck
Now this is the kind of ending that i like, i think its not pre composed but just ends perfectly with a sudden stop with the drums.
Pure buyest opinion been a drummer but wow they knew how to end it.
Jump
Marilyn Crispell and Gerry Hemingway
Lovely slow ending that just knew where to end, not as exciting or satisfying as the Billy Duck one but still effective all the same.
To sum up, since Han gave a good talk today in class about endings, I think its fair to say that..there is no bar line and specific way to end it. We need to feel it, take a chance, just keep playing together, and trust each other and let it flow out itself..
Fuck the pre concieved concept.
“YOU GOTTA FEEL IT MAN”
owen wrote:
“Anthony Braxton and Evan Parker:
Beautifully constructive ending that in my opinion was rehearsed, or pre composed/constructed?
Final 32 seconds
There is an obvious motif/signature played by one sax, with the other sax responding like a “call and response concept” It repeates itself 5 times before both saxs simultaneously end with a long harmonic note.
Is it pre rehearsed? iF NOT then both performers are truly listening/ and or gawking at each other intensely through-out. They must of just gave the obvious nod..that luckily worked out, because how else are they going to end so ? years of playing together?
Maybe it is not pre rehearsed but pre constructed: they agreed on “hey lets end when i play that reoccuring motif say 5 times and we end together on this harmonic note, so until then dont worry on ending, lets just play”
There had to be a pre-discussion on this ending.”
well, normally i would disagree on this one, and i’d say that the piece was completely improvised with no pre-discussion whatsoever…
..but then i was talking to a friend who spent few years studying with Rafael Garrett, and something came up about Braxton wanting to record an album in duo with Garrett… Garrett agreed on the condition that the music would not be pre-discussed whatsoever, and Braxton refused to do it
..might be insignificant, but this just says to me that Owen might be right.. more than an ending agreed before playing, this sounds to me like it was signaled in some way, either by playing or looking or some other gesture
blackmudorchestra
January 17, 2009 at 6:11 pm